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Ratings for the Week of 4/20-4/24
Topic Started: May 1 2015, 11:16 PM (4,361 Views)
lysie


I do think that online viewing is much more important than some people realize. They basically double their audience.
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PhoenixRising05
May 4 2015, 02:20 AM
Here's the thing...it's not just Days in trouble.

GH is down in the demos too and that is a show that has had major events, vets very much in play, and been going gradually downhill in the demos for the past few months at least and there is NO sign of changes there. Yes, they have a big sweeps planned but just like all their events the past few months, they will likely drop off after those events just like they have done previously especially with summer coming. Days HAS made changes. They are 5 months from now but those are coming. What will GH do? There should be focus on that too. I know Days is always the lightning rod topic in ratings but still. GH is hitting lows too and that should be looked at as they are supposedly doing what fans want (vet heavy, good stories, etc). There has been negativity in some regards but I see just as many people that praise the show still so the fact it is hitting lows should make it just as vulnerable as Days, especially when ABC has proven itself to be more likely to cancel in recent years than NBC.
I'm guessing you don't actually watch GH. I haven't seen a lot of praise for that show, overall, in a long time. It's really uneven and it has a lot of issues.The six week tape time is a big advantage, though. They're not locked in to five more months of the same material that's already tanking.
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May 4 2015, 04:54 PM
PhoenixRising05
May 4 2015, 02:20 AM
Here's the thing...it's not just Days in trouble.

GH is down in the demos too and that is a show that has had major events, vets very much in play, and been going gradually downhill in the demos for the past few months at least and there is NO sign of changes there. Yes, they have a big sweeps planned but just like all their events the past few months, they will likely drop off after those events just like they have done previously especially with summer coming. Days HAS made changes. They are 5 months from now but those are coming. What will GH do? There should be focus on that too. I know Days is always the lightning rod topic in ratings but still. GH is hitting lows too and that should be looked at as they are supposedly doing what fans want (vet heavy, good stories, etc). There has been negativity in some regards but I see just as many people that praise the show still so the fact it is hitting lows should make it just as vulnerable as Days, especially when ABC has proven itself to be more likely to cancel in recent years than NBC.
I'm guessing you don't actually watch GH. I haven't seen a lot of praise for that show, overall, in a long time. It's really uneven and it has a lot of issues.The six week tape time is a big advantage, though. They're not locked in to five more months of the same material that's already tanking.
I feel like GH goes up and down really quickly. I don't watch it but just based on Twitter, it'll go from being loved and so awesome one week to being absolute dog shit the next week. It seems the ratings reflect it too. I guess at least Days is consistently bad? lol.
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GH is a totally different show from one week to the next. When they tell stories they get a lot of airtime then go away for weeks. When people that you can't stand are front and center, it's a chore to watch that week. People are usually on 5 days a week. Carlivati has a serious pacing issue.
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That's absolutely true. The quality fluctuates wildly. I also think they're finally feeling the consequences of having a cast that is just too large.
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six
May 4 2015, 05:30 PM
That's absolutely true. The quality fluctuates wildly. I also think they're finally feeling the consequences of having a cast that is just too large.
Yes, GH can be incredibly good one week and then almost impossible to watch the next.
And they can drag a story out more slowly than any show I've ever watched.

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May 4 2015, 06:06 PM
six
May 4 2015, 05:30 PM
That's absolutely true. The quality fluctuates wildly. I also think they're finally feeling the consequences of having a cast that is just too large.
Yes, GH can be incredibly good one week and then almost impossible to watch the next.
And they can drag a story out more slowly than any show I've ever watched.

I fully believe that Carlivati models everything that he does after JER. He might actually be possessed by the spirit of JER so this makes sense.
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May 4 2015, 08:20 PM
gailwinters
May 4 2015, 06:06 PM
six
May 4 2015, 05:30 PM
That's absolutely true. The quality fluctuates wildly. I also think they're finally feeling the consequences of having a cast that is just too large.
Yes, GH can be incredibly good one week and then almost impossible to watch the next.
And they can drag a story out more slowly than any show I've ever watched.

I fully believe that Carlivati models everything that he does after JER. He might actually be possessed by the spirit of JER so this makes sense.
If that's true, I may have to start tuning into GH.
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blueskies
May 4 2015, 09:59 PM
DiMeraFan67
May 4 2015, 08:20 PM
gailwinters
May 4 2015, 06:06 PM
six
May 4 2015, 05:30 PM
That's absolutely true. The quality fluctuates wildly. I also think they're finally feeling the consequences of having a cast that is just too large.
Yes, GH can be incredibly good one week and then almost impossible to watch the next.
And they can drag a story out more slowly than any show I've ever watched.

I fully believe that Carlivati models everything that he does after JER. He might actually be possessed by the spirit of JER so this makes sense.
If that's true, I may have to start tuning into GH.
Oh it's true and it's not always a good thing. The stories drag on months longer than necessary. JER was great when he was good and I'd love to have him back but I can't pretend he wasn't horrible at times.

Also the holes in every single story are just ridiculous. The over the top approach works sometimes and it's just frustrating at others.
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six
May 4 2015, 04:54 PM
PhoenixRising05
May 4 2015, 02:20 AM
Here's the thing...it's not just Days in trouble.

GH is down in the demos too and that is a show that has had major events, vets very much in play, and been going gradually downhill in the demos for the past few months at least and there is NO sign of changes there. Yes, they have a big sweeps planned but just like all their events the past few months, they will likely drop off after those events just like they have done previously especially with summer coming. Days HAS made changes. They are 5 months from now but those are coming. What will GH do? There should be focus on that too. I know Days is always the lightning rod topic in ratings but still. GH is hitting lows too and that should be looked at as they are supposedly doing what fans want (vet heavy, good stories, etc). There has been negativity in some regards but I see just as many people that praise the show still so the fact it is hitting lows should make it just as vulnerable as Days, especially when ABC has proven itself to be more likely to cancel in recent years than NBC.
I'm guessing you don't actually watch GH. I haven't seen a lot of praise for that show, overall, in a long time. It's really uneven and it has a lot of issues.The six week tape time is a big advantage, though. They're not locked in to five more months of the same material that's already tanking.
I do watch GH. I watch all the soaps. My point still stands. Even with everything being said about GH here in this thread (which is all true), the fact remains they are hitting lows and have been falling in the demos as well. B&B has too (just not as heavily). As others pointed out, GH and B&B have had more peaks than Days the past few months which has kept them from reaching new lows and falling harder but they lose all they gain particularly in demos so what good is it? They appear to be putting off the inevitable, which is new lows. They may not get as low as Days. They may simply get close. The fact remains that they are doing poorly and seeing major, worrisome decreases as well and that is actually worse than Days because neither show has made any changes and this has been going on for a few months and these are 2 shows that do have the more manageable taping schedule. The fact that there has been no mention at all of changes is really disconcerting. Yes, both GH and B&B have big sweeps stuff going on but just like the past few months that will likely lead to a few good weeks and them losing all they gained and, heading into the summer months, that won't be enough to prevent them from reaching lows if the pattern continues. So, changes do need to be made but it doesn't seem they will be. As I said in my previous post, I've seen enough over the years to feel that IMO the soaps (and primetime shows too) don't change anything regardless of filming schedule unless they want to. I've seen fan and ratings input over the years support major change and it all gets ignored until TPTB decide enough is enough and it's usually well after the ratings hit rock bottom and it always seems to be more about TPTB just making the changes for focus groups or because they want different things and not because of fans or ratings. That is how it has always felt to me.

I am just going to be really interested in seeing what this summer brings ratings-wise for all the soaps. Taping schedule or not, Days has changes coming. Major ones. No one else does. My belief is at least GH and B&B will have major struggles all summer long too, so much so that Days won't be the only one in need of a resurgence come fall.
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I don't think anyone disputes the idea that they're having issues. But they're not having issues despite delivering what the fans want. They're in a downslide of their own making.
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six
May 5 2015, 05:46 AM
I don't think anyone disputes the idea that they're having issues. But they're not having issues despite delivering what the fans want. They're in a downslide of their own making.
Yeah, Fluke (despite having a pretty good one episode ending) and the mob takeover totally butchered all good will I had towards the show. There's still characters that I love and they have the best acting of any cast, by a mile, as far as I'm concerned. Carlivati just needs a co-HW to keep him under control and help him focus.
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May 5 2015, 09:08 AM
six
May 5 2015, 05:46 AM
I don't think anyone disputes the idea that they're having issues. But they're not having issues despite delivering what the fans want. They're in a downslide of their own making.
Yeah, Fluke (despite having a pretty good one episode ending) and the mob takeover totally butchered all good will I had towards the show. There's still characters that I love and they have the best acting of any cast, by a mile, as far as I'm concerned. Carlivati just needs a co-HW to keep him under control and help him focus.
I barely hung on through the Fluke debacle. The black and white episode was the sole saving grace for that story - that was perfect soap opera, but it was only for one episode.

For me, Franco and Nina are a waste of time. The Jake story is moving at a glacially slow pace. Ava dying came out of no where. And the attention to the kiddie quad is baffling.

GH's ratings are poor because the show isn't delivering stories with some sense of urgency and excitement.
Edited by miou07, May 5 2015, 12:44 PM.
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May 5 2015, 01:51 AM
..... The fact remains that they are doing poorly and seeing major, worrisome decreases as well and that is actually worse than Days because neither show has made any changes and this has been going on for a few months ......it's usually well after the ratings hit rock bottom and it always seems to be more about TPTB just making the changes....
Is it plausible that the industry has changed so much that these ratings really don't matter anymore? Publicized ratings keep dropping and dropping across all dayparts. Could the industry finally be at the point where ratings as we have known them for decades, really don't matter?
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May 6 2015, 12:07 AM
PhoenixRising05
May 5 2015, 01:51 AM
..... The fact remains that they are doing poorly and seeing major, worrisome decreases as well and that is actually worse than Days because neither show has made any changes and this has been going on for a few months ......it's usually well after the ratings hit rock bottom and it always seems to be more about TPTB just making the changes....
Is it plausible that the industry has changed so much that these ratings really don't matter anymore? Publicized ratings keep dropping and dropping across all dayparts. Could the industry finally be at the point where ratings as we have known them for decades, really don't matter?
The ratings matter to broadcast networks a lot and will continue to matter for one reason: money. Companies pay to networks to have advertisements for their products shown during commercial breaks of a particular show. The higher the ratings of a show, the more attractive the show is to these companies and the network thus gets more money. If a show is doing badly in ratings, companies will ignore it and the network will thus not make any profit out of it.

Keep in mind that I said broadcast networks, as these are the networks that air soaps. HBO and such cable channels finance themselves via subscription; ratings only serve as an indicator of what subscribers want to watch.
Edited by OliveAnn, May 6 2015, 02:39 PM.
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May 6 2015, 12:07 AM
PhoenixRising05
May 5 2015, 01:51 AM
..... The fact remains that they are doing poorly and seeing major, worrisome decreases as well and that is actually worse than Days because neither show has made any changes and this has been going on for a few months ......it's usually well after the ratings hit rock bottom and it always seems to be more about TPTB just making the changes....
Is it plausible that the industry has changed so much that these ratings really don't matter anymore? Publicized ratings keep dropping and dropping across all dayparts. Could the industry finally be at the point where ratings as we have known them for decades, really don't matter?
I think in the last 2 years it is becoming that way. The entire landscape has changed. Just look no further than primetime and alot of the shows that have been renewed by broadcast networks. There are shows being renewed on all 3 broadcast networks that have 18-49 numbers below a 2.0!! If these broadcast networks are renewing primetime shows with those kind of numbers, than it shows they are very much aware of how online and delayed (DVR, on demand) viewing is the big thing now. People watch things on their own time now. That includes the soaps. This is why as long as budgets are under control and the numbers stay in a certain range (and I think Days and GH are right on that edge) I think the soaps will be kept around. Advertisers and networks seem to be working together now to adjust as opposed to what it was like before, say, 2012, when many shows (including some soaps) got cancelled for low ratings when so much of their audience had transitioned to online or DVR/on demand. It's good that the networks seemingly know the problem now because it can only mean good things for the soaps IMO.
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